Shoulder Turn and Tilt

I made 8 videos yesterday. They are all going to be great at helping you understand things and find feels to improve your swing…and this is the first one.

If you find yourself disagreeing with large parts of this video, your golf game is going to start to have problems…LOL.

It doesn’t get any more basic or easy to understand than this.

If you are like me and were taught many wrong things, it is not easy to immediately do, but it is easy to understand why it should work this way…and why you should immediately start striving for making your swing work like this.

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  1. Dave Dunlop

    Awesome video as always Monte ! Your previous vids on correct shoulder turn have helped me working towards curing my own early extention so much, and this is a great visual to really reinforce that. Thann you!

    Ps. Gotta say i miss the cargo shorts lol

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  2. Ron

    Very nice video. I discovered what I need to work on more! I need to get the right shoulder down the line of the ball!

    A suggestion: Around 5:38 you mention the need for the proper tilt. I’m not certain you demonstrated it clearly. However, a video on the proper set up over the ball will clear this up as it is clearly done before and swing happens, so to see the video in series this would be easily understood.

    Thanks

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      Have done that already. It’s a post here from within the last few months and on my youtube channel.

      Called Proper Tilt.

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  3. Andrew from Addis

    Nice Outfit! Looks like a smart facility too – next time I am in So Cal have to come for a lesson.

    The video is great too – clear and to the point

    Thanks
    Andrew from Addis

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  4. projectscratch

    Great video Monte – the sticks were great for visualization. I will definitely work on this next time at the range and send you the videos for my next lesson.

    Thanks!

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  5. Sean

    Great video, Monte. Question about posture, which would affect the plane on which the shoulders rotate (flat vs upright): When you bend forward from the hips to address the ball, does the angle at which you bend stay consistent regardless of club, or does it vary? Meaning, do you stand more upright with a driver and bend more at the waist with a wedge, or do you try to keep it the same throughout the bag?

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  6. Calvin

    Michael Breed says to turn ’em flat. 🙂

    Good video. If I can find one of those sticks I need to drill that for a while to ingrain the feel. It’s a major change for me but it’s just too logical not to be right.

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  7. Steve Pratt

    Great visual! Even many players on the PGA Tour turn their shoulders too flat! One cannot have a good swing plane without manipulation of the arms unless one gets the shoulders on the proper ‘wheel’.

    I guess Michael Breed then must be the 2nd best teacher in America behind Monte.

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  8. Brian

    Well worth the wait! I think this is your best video in terms of communication.

    There really weren’t any ideas that you haven’t stressed before, but this did a great job of combining two of your biggest keys to ball striking (tilt at address and impact, and a perpendicular shoulder turn).

    Minutes 5:00-8:00 tie everything together exceptionally well. I hope the other 7 videos are half as good as this one.

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  9. Dion

    Monte,

    I don’t post much but I visit at least once every day because I like your approach to the game & appreciate your willingness to share your knowledge. I’m glad you got a 9-5, (albeit interim as I & you both hope!). I’m working on this very same shoulder turn angle with my teacher at the moment, so it’s a fantastically interesting video for me.

    I have seen all of your vids and think you have moved it up a notch. The cargo shorts look is no loss for a professional golfer.

    Dion

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  10. Dion

    Monte,

    Just a clarification, I could see the angles so much better in this video than in your previous ones. The tighter T-shirt and the long trousers made it easier to take-in the movements. Also, your swing looks so f**** interesting, please post it soon with no commentary.

    Thanks again,

    Dion

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  11. Jason

    Thanks Monte. Awesome vids, cleared a few things up. As you say tilt should have nothing to do with turning around your spine, but what I was getting as was how it affects the shoulder turn plane when turned 90*. It seems like you would need to straighten out your trailing leg to raise the right shoulder and dip the left in the backswing.

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      The trailing knee straightens as you turn period. If it is locking, you are doing something wrong.

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  12. Todd

    Nice video Monte, I’m looking forward to the rest of the new ones. Now that you are teaching at a club are you still doing online lessons?

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  13. Kevin Kruse

    Marvelous video! This is exactly how I feel when I am hitting my Irons pure and smashing my driver with a nice draw. Its a feeling of being over the top an almost smothering the ball but doing so while still coming from the inside. Great stuff Monte I think you and Steve Pratt are the only guys that I would ever take advice about the golf swing from and I have read countless books on the swing. Keep up the good work!

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  14. Kevin Kruse

    Hey Monte how do you go about analyzing people swings via internet videos? Do you have set payments etc?

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  15. Jason

    Thanks for that Monte. I will be working on this and I will post a youtube update of my swing for everyones critique as I go along.

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  16. MikeR

    Keeping the tilt on the downswing while the right shoulder is moving forward and kind of pushing the tilt to the left is really tricky!

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      • MikeR

        Hi Monte,

        Went to range today with shift, tilt, right shoulder at ball plus “continuous” release and was caning it. Thanks.

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  17. MikeR

    Hey Monte,

    I’ve only recently come across your teaching, I’ve been following the Manzella Man. Apologies for mentioning another teacher on your site but there was an interesting video of Tiger posted by someone today at:

    There’s a lot of talk on that forum about keeping your back to the target/pulling arms away/down as seemingly being “drilled” in this video of Tiger.

    What do you make of that? I really like the way you show in a simple format the problems certain actions will cause.

    It’s fine if you don’t want to post this and again apologies for introducing another instructor’s site.

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      It doesn’t bother me that you posted something from another instructor.

      I understand what he is trying to do there and means he is attacking the correct issue…his shoulder turn being too vertical.

      Keeping your back to the target is a dangerous thing. Getting the lower body more forward while keeping the upper body back is a better way to accomplish the same thing.

      Tiger needs to rotate his left arm more.

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      • MikeR

        Thanks, it’s great that your combo of shift, backward tilt and shoulder to the ball is “the same thing”, your way feels more natural.

        Where does Tiger’s left arm need to rotate more, on his downswing?

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  18. MikeR

    Tiger nowadays also in his practice swings does that move Corey Pavin used to do where he opens up/goes over the top and then swings.

    Do you think that could be ingraining keeping your right shoulder moving out and around?

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