OTT and hanging back

may actually be an attempt to do things correctly. It shows you that instincts can sometimes be better than cerebral pursuits.

Over the top is just an attempt to get a stuck club back out in front of the turn and hanging back is nothing more than the body trying to create some tilt behind the ball at impact.

If we can just prevent the club from going too far inside on the takeaway and add some lateral hip movement, maybe we can put these two instincts to good use.

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  1. Christian

    I’m also convinced that over the top can be a response to a clubface problem. The more the ball goes right the more I want to steer it left. Even if it makes 0 sense given the slice spin that this will impart.

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  2. rojoass

    Another simple but really good informative post Monte.
    I sometimes key on “trailing shoulder & elbow down” during transition & get good results with lateral hips & side bend through impact.

    http://rojoass.com/

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    • Bob34

      A couple of thoughts;

      – Bringing the elbow down and to your side is one of Harvery Penick’s moves in his mythical perfect swing. When I first read his “Litte Red Book” a few years ago during the time I was all into swing methods, I didn’t get this book, there was very little in it in regards to technically how to swing a golf club. I’ve come to realize the “Little Red Book” ergo Harvery Penick is truely the golfing genius Kite & Crenshaw said he was.

      – With very few exceptions, all of the long guys have thier trailing elbow a good distance from thier body at the top. Training myself to keep my trailing elbow down and in front per previous instruction not only hurt, it robbed me of significant distance.

      – Monte’s views of getting rid of the things that prevent you from swinging the club efficiently are very simular to Penicks.

      – It’s all about the right ‘simple’ thoughts for you. I.e., My thought to get my hips moving right is just to keep my head on (short irons) or behind (long irons & woods) the ball. I dont have to worry about using the right muscles at the right time, it just happens like it’s supposed to with the right simple thought.

      – I wish more instructors were like Monte and had a knack for relaying simple thoughts that allow you to do complicated things easily.

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      • Texhacker

        Bob,

        I agree completely with what you said about “The Little Red Book.” Another one i didn’t get at first was “Practical Golf” by John Jacobs. They both are for those of us trying to simplify and naturalize our swings.

        Texhacker

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  3. Mike from Canada

    Wow. It’s funny how all of you who write on this site say that the “gurus” are nuts and don’t know shit, but then you focus on “trailing elbows” and positions of very specific body parts. Monte, you’re guilty of this too.

    Guys, quite doing this! It’s making you worse players. I’m not saying don’t focus on certain things to try to improve but those things cannot be so techinical. For instance, there are only two things I’m working on right now.

    1) Start the swing with the club head swinging back first, then arms,… etc.
    2) Start the downswing by squashing an imaginary tomato under my left foot.

    That’s it. You can’t worry about your specific body positions too much or you will become very mechanical and shittier. I know because I tried to put the club somewhere at the top where I thought it should be a couple of years back…. it made me worse.

    Of course, this is just my opinion. Maybe it works for you.

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  4. Bob34

    Some people just don’t read. Although I’ll admit my post was a bit lengthy…

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    • Mike from Canada

      Long and pompous ERGO…. douchey. HA HA

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      • Bob34

        Yeah, you’re right, I shoulda just said squish the tomato with my right arm pit, not nearly as technical or pompous but still does sound douchey. 😀

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      • Mike from Canada

        In all seriousness though.. people do tend to learn better with a visual such as “squishing a tomato”. Focusing on keeping a body part in a certain position usually doesn’t work without being able to focus on something else that causes the position….. IMO

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      • Bob34

        Mike, you’re right. But I said this; “Training myself to keep my trailing elbow down and in front per previous instruction not only hurt, it robbed me of significant distance.” Notice the per previous instruction” part. I am NOT trying to do that anymore.

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      • Mike from Canada

        Relax Bob. I barely read your piece and my comments weren’t specifically directed at you. I was just giving you and the rest of the guys on here a hard time.

        Next time you need an extra 10 yards on a par 5, think of me calling you “douchey”. AAAAA HA HA HA HA HA!!

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      • gwlee7

        If Bob needs and extra ten yards, he’ll be thinking about how far I already hit my tee shot in front of him. And trust me on this, I have called him lots worse than “douchey” to his face. 🙂

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    • Bob34

      I dunno, is dip sh1T and dumb a$$ worse than douchey? 🙂

      We need to get together soon but I’m off to Miami tomorrow for the week. Maybe in two?

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      • gwlee7

        I call you “loser” a lot too.

        I am off for Easter Break starting Friday the 15th but going to the mountains on the 20th. Maybe something b/w the 15th and the 19th?

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  5. kbp

    Yeah, enough with the overly complex physiologic technobabble like “elbow” and “in”. Not everybody has had the requisite experience in “The Hokey Pokey” to decipher such complicated kineseolgic terms.

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    • Mike from Canada

      Ouch… you hurt my feelings.. i may cry. If I wasn’t using all my brain power to will the snow to melt I would think of a witty thing to reply with. You lucky there’s still snow on the ground.

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      • kbp

        That explains it. All our snow is gone so I have a lot of excess brain power that needs an outlet. The irreverent nature of Monte’s blog unfortunately inpired me to unnecessary sarcasm. Apologies.

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  6. Wally

    Today I went to the driving range, there was this young fellow, maybe 20 years old or so hitting his driver. Boy could he hit it, 320yds maybe 350. So I asked him if he minded if I used the position his left so maybe some of his energy would rub off. It worked, I was hitting my driver forty yards farther that usual, not near as far as his but 275 or 280 which ain’t bad for this old fart, some of us just need some inspiration to put in some effort. I thanked him.

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  7. Monte Scheinblum

    We play golf for God’s sake. Aren’t we all a little bit “douchey” by default?

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    • Mike from Canada

      You bet!

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    • Bob34

      Nah, you can call me a douche bag if you want. I can understand that but douchey…? 😀

      Just kidding, I get your point.

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