On the downswing, everything turns together

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  1. woody

    I think that there are basically two different ways to swing. I wouldn’t call it 1-plane or 2-plane, but I’ll give Jim Hardy credit for saying that the fundamentals of one don’t carry-over exactly to the other.

    It’s like in tennis, hitting a forehand or a backhand. You can win a point either way, but you’re not doing the same thing. Same with golf, both going back and coming down.

    I call the differences the Classic Swing and the Modern Swing. The key indicator is how far your left heel comes up. lt’s classic if it’s like Nicklaus, Palmer, Snead, Bobby Jones, or Bubba Watson.

    http://www.aroundhawaii.com/assets/articles/2012/06/2607/images/t35.jpg (Bubba).

    If you got up on your left toe (or like Bubba, right toe) you cannot just start turning. There’s a move that leads into the turning.

    With a modern swing you create all of the stretch on the backswing (Hogan called it a windup or coil, but we don’t do that here). With the Classic swing, you create some of the stretch starting the downswing, like a baseball pitcher.

    Which is easier on the body? I’m tempted to say Classic (if you do it right). With Modern, you can get considerable knee torque, or snapping the left leg into a post-up (see Tiger). Then, there’s Bubba or even Palmer with some left leg contortions.

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    • Robert Johansson

      Modern swing sucks.
      Haney, leadbetter, foley etc…

      Classic swing is a ton better for several reasons as its easier on the body and easier to learn and do.

      Best is the Mike Austin principle swing as it allows a turn passively of the pelvis/knee/wrists instead of doing acively as in the modern or classical way. Better for the body in the long run as any twist in the back area is minimized fully and requries less timing and maintance compared to the above systems.

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      • woody

        The problem with Classic is, how do you start down? The co-writers for Daly & Couples (when I used to read such books) quoted those pros as saying that the first move had to establish the left heel, which was up in the air (for a right-hander).

        I agree, but there is never a single purpose for a golf move. Anyway, I believe that you need that heel for resistance.

        The weakness of Classic golf instruction is that nobody ever explained how to do that all-important move. I believe Bubba could swing just as hard if he did that move. Nicklaus did.

        http://www.craftsmithgolf.com/images/Nicklaus-SwingCenters.jpg (ignore funny lines)

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      • Robert Johansson

        You get on the plane in the downswing then the chain works. its about organization not a particular move like the heel.

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      • woody

        Robert, I’ve seen your swing on Youtube. Nice.

        But, I have no use for “plane.” Plane has something to do with arms or club. Those are the last things to happen, not the first…and you get no feedback about plane while playing.

        I call “plane” a result, not a cause. As for “heel” that’s a result too–but if you create the right foundation for the swing, the arms and club can whip through without the golfer trying to guide them.

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      • woody

        I agree that plane is a result of pelvis movement. I’d go farther and say that pelvis movement is caused by legs/buns.

        Coordinated people probably think more about the result or “feel” that they want. But, someone at a lower level might want to know what produces it. In time, “muscle memory” will take over.

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  2. woody

    And, here are some random observations about watching the Re/Max on ESPN3.

    Last year’s senior and open champions not making the telecast. They had to be even more disappointed than you.

    Senior…George Slupsky…wow, no knee bend at setup. Six OB, buh-bye.

    And, finalist (or semi-finalist?) in Open will be doing Senior next year.

    Two-time former champ in Open…steps up with a sudden 20 mph wind in his face, kills one, and …(no spoilers, for people who won’t watch it until 12-23 or 12-30).

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  3. Dayo

    Monte,

    Just wondering what your grip pressure is like? Say, on a scale of 1-10… Thanks!

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