Johnny Miller said this…

…and it relates to Tiger and many of you. You can drop your head some and it’s not bad….especially with irons.

The following is a quote from Johnny Miller and I think it’s a good theory. It’s also why Tiger can have a huge head drop and hit good irons, but hits the driver sideways and it’s because his head drop is different than what Miller talks about.

The reason I post this is many amateurs are the opposite extreme from Tiger and they “stand up” through impact and never get to the ball.

Miller’s quote…and especially pay attention to the part about where the bend is…because Tiger’s bend is not the same.

Byron Nelson is the best example of this idea.

Get down on it at impact.
I’m a swing-sequence junkie. I love poring over sequence photos of the best players. The feature all great iron players have in common is that their heads are lower at impact than when they were standing tall at address. They really go down after the ball, not by bending at the hips or dropping their head but by increasing the flex in their knees. They sag their knees down and toward the target at the same time, moving on a downward diagonal line. Now, you’d think this would make you hit the ball fat. But if you lean the club forward, toward the target, so that the shaft is angled ahead of the left arm, you’ll absolutely pure it.




  1. Bob34


    I give you props when you post something insightful and helpful. This isn’t one of them. If Miller’s theory is good but his analysis is bad regarding where the head lowering comes from, how does that help us that standup through the shot? Maybe it has something to do with Byron Nelson but I’m not smart enough to know what that is…?

    • kbp

      I believe Monte’s point is that Miller’s theory of “sagging” or bending at the knees, can result in good iron shots, and that a byproduct of that is head lowering. The hacker is doing the opposite by straightening the knees (and maybe the hip joint) which results in the head rising up. The obvious advice to ametuers is “Don’t do that”

      “….Tiger’s bend is not the same.” Monte is sayitng that Tiger’s head lowering is not the result of knee bending.

      I don’t think Miller was analyzing Tiger when he made the comment. I think Monte was contrasting Miller’s theory with Tiger’s move.

      • Bob34

        OK, this statement confused me, “The following is a quote from Johnny Miller and I think it’s a good theory. It’s also why Tiger can have a huge head drop and hit good irons, but hits the driver sideways and it’s because his head drop is different than what Miller talks about.

        Note; “it’s also why Tiger…” That reads to me that something is the same but somehow the results are different?

        So, if Tiger’s head is not lowering because of the knees sagging or bending, why does Tiger’s head lower? Since the point of the post is that we hacks do the opposite & standup, shouldn’t understand what you mean by the contrast in Millers analysis of someone that’s not Tiger and what Tiger actually does?

        In short, do we need to allow the knees to sag or not? is there a better way to not standup through the shot?

    • Calvin D

      Bob, how is your hip action swing working for you? Turning the trail cheek toward the target and then attempting to move it directly away from the target. I remembered it today on the last three holes and parred in so it seems to have merit. The reason I think, is that the backswing hip turn creates a good angled brace and then when you apply backward pressure the reactive force wins and you move properly targetward. I like it.

      • Bob34

        When I do it consistently, it works great! The problem is that even though it’s not a hard move to learn, I still have to think about it. When I’m playing, I sometimes forget, go back to humping goats and start playing ARMY/NAVY golf 🙁

        This is exactly why I was wondering about what Monte is getting at with this post. It might be the same thing, a consequence of this move is a longer flex and rotation of the knees more than an immediate post & thrust onto the left leg…

  2. s.

    Swing junkie…the worst addiction. I’m trying to detox after a recent binge.

    “their heads are lower at impact”

    If you asked the best ball-striker ever (Moe Norman) how he did it, he’s say it was from sagging his right side and dropping his right shoulder

    I’m not a fan of “plane” but there is a good pic of Moe here)

    People get hung-up on Moe’s idiosyncrasies, but Moe was very solid on fundamentals.

  3. Doug B

    One of the interesting (and confusing) things about the golf swing is that there can be different terminology for the same basic action.

    Byron Nelson, whom you mentioned, used to say that he felt like his head was moving back on the downswing. Keeping the head back…maintaining spine angle…turning the right shoulder under – all of these terms are different ways of describing the same basic action. And all will result in the head dropping on the downswing as the hips clear and the momentum of the swing is sent thru the impact zone and toward the target. Dropping the head down in this manner is the result of a good swing rather than the cause of it.

    • woody

      Good one, Doug.

      Golf is like the three blind gurus describing an elephant:

      The first blind guru felt the elephant’s side, and said, “An elephant is like a wall.”

      The second blind guru felt the elephant’s leg, and said, “An elephant is like a tree.”

      The third blind guru felt the elephant’s trunk, and said, “An elephant is like a snake.”

  4. Wally

    Thw squat that profession golfers, is aquired after years of honing their skills. It requires hand eye coordination that most people will NEVER have, a real keen sense of where the club head is. These guys could hit the ball better than most of us BLINDFOLDED. I am content with my crappy swing as long as my crappy is the same every day and I can work with it. This 67 year old under-acheiver is content with simply keeping it in the and yes an occasional nassau win. Listen to Monte and play within yourself


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