Are there any universal things in the golf swing among good players.

The most universal thing I have found is secondary tilt at impact…so much for covering the ball, but that’s a down the line issue that people misinterpret. A whole different debate.

One would surmise starting with some and maintaining it would me the most efficient, but Tim Clark would be one that does nothing of the sort…ad there are others. So that’s out the window

Different grips, stances, alignments, paths, face to paths, AoA, backswings, transitions, etc. Nothing universal when you watch guys like Jim Furyk and Nicholas Thompson succeed.

All that’s important is the part match.

I have gotten in some pissing matches over the last few years with people who want to force lag into a swing that can’t handle it. Swinging more left on a swing that steepens in transition and early extends the path out to the right.

Technobabble aside, the parts have to match and if it’s a flipped fade or a draw with shaft lean, the parts have to match.

That is your job if you aren’t working with a competent pro. If you want to make a swing change, educate yourself on how to match things up.

For example, if you look at your swing face on and there is a gap between your right arm and your body coming into impact, your arms need to start sooner despite the old “Works from the ground up” theory. Which is one cliche I agree with, but from a feel standpoint, you may have to start your arms to match your active lower body…or vice versa.

If you start any statement about what your working on with…”They say,” or “I heard,” start over again.




  1. Jake Gilmer

    Good stuff Monte. This is why I enjoy talking golf swing with you so much. If you understand cause and effect you’re ahead of 99% of the others that are trying to teach the game!

  2. pcb_duffer

    To me, the key to a pro’s swing is repeatability. Furyk’s swings all look alike, even if no one actually teaches his action. Lanny Wadkins had his lightning quick tempo, and it worked for him every time.

  3. Chris

    This might be simplistic, but the one universal thing I see in common, is their downswing is always accelerating thru the ball.

    Monte, you are the man brah. No BS, I get and appreciate your insights into the golf swing. Thank you for your willingness to share them.

  4. Kenneth Finch

    While this doesn’t seem to be the answer to your question, the ONE universal that I see is that good players all strike the ball before the ground, and their divots occur forward of the ball. Woods from a tee might be the exception to this.

  5. jaybee

    IMO at A/P5 all decent pro swings have the following in common:
    hips square or open to target while shoulders are still closed and the shaft is on plane or shallow but not steep.

  6. Don Lissen

    Universal things, a few from Hogan’s Five Lessons:

    **Doing things the right way takes a lot less effort that the wrong way does.

    **The goal is one smooth overall movement.

    **If you are swinging correctly, you can’t look at anything but the ball.

    Secondary tilt:

    “I don’t play over my leg, I play INTO my leg.” — Moe Norman

  7. David Carter

    Monte how do you add secondary tilt by shifting the lower body and keeping the upper body back?

  8. Chuck

    When you say ‘things match up’ could you give a couple of examples of what you mean?

  9. Michael C.

    Hands leading the clubhead?

  10. Michael C.

    I’ve been giving this a lot of thought.

    You often speak in general terms and rightly so. Everyone swings differently as well as thinks and learns differently. We all have different builds, a variance in strength, flexibility and coordination.

    However, if you toss out of the equation the anomalies of a handful of good players, wouldn’t the overwhelming majority of these remaining good players have a lot in common?

    For example – The shoulders turn 90* to the spine, generally speaking. I won’t try to be super intelligent and speak of external and internal rotation (mostly because it doesn’t always sound that smart really, lol). So, if one person turns at 87* and the next at 93* to the spine is it that different or could we say that most good players turn their shoulders at 90* to the spine angle, give or take 3*?

    Is 6* of shaft lean at impact acceptable for a 7 iron? Is 2* too little or 14* too much? Let’s just say the hands lead the clubhead into impact creating shaft lean. The numbers can can very per golfer but good golfers will have some shaft lean.

    We will never have a universal teaching or, god forbid, method. But, I believe there has to be some universal parameters or tolerances among the majority of good players. Being unique and pointing out differences, it seems, is how we all try to separate ourselves. That’s fine. We all need to start from a common ground first. What moves and/or positions do these good players have in common? Generally speaking? Are we making this too complicated? Are we concentrating too hard on the subtle differences?

    Occam’s razor comes to mind.


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