Tilt creates hitting down, shaft lean and “compression”

Even tough I hate the ideas of tilting down on the ball, shaft lean and compression, because they are huge misnomers, I understand the issue.

What I don’t understand is people continue to be obtuse in understanding that you MUST have spine tilt behind the ball at impact to achieve these things. All evidence to the contrary, they want to cover the balls, get the spine perpendicular, get upper body forward, etc.

How many things about the swing have to be understood as counter intuitive before this one sinks in.

Whenever anyone argues this subject with me, I say, “Go to YouTube and find me one great players who didn’t have tilt at impact, even with a wedge…even on a knockdown wedge.”

I have never gotten a response. Lickliter saw me have this debate with someone at Sawgrass and when I was about to deliver that line, he not erupted and said, “Monte is about to tell you to go to YouTube and find someone who doesn’t have impact tilt. Let me save you the trouble. There isn’t anyone. Use some common sense. Without any tilt, you will dig the club in the ground if you don’t throw away the angle. Now leave him alone, he’s trying to fix what a moron who thought like you ruined.”

Below are stills of me hitting 7-iron. You will see a very nice P6 and a shallow angle of attack when the circle is one the club face coming into impact in the first two. In the second two, you will see address and that I increased my secondary tilt from address to impact about 12* to a total of 25*.

(App reads a vertical line as 90*. So 77* at address is 13* of tilt and 65* at impact is 25* of tilt away from target.)

In the post impact still and video below the stills, you will see a nice tuft of grass and dirt fly from a perfectly compressed ball that Trackman said was carrying upwards of 185 yards.

Guess what I see in almost all early flippers/casters? Low single digits of tilt behind the ball to tilt toward the target at impact…and spines in front of the ball. Guess how your body reacts to that?

****! If we don’t chuck the club, we are going to dig a trench and that hurts Mayday! Mayday! Throw the lag away, elbow neck and spine injury protocol #7.,,.Cast, Cast, Cast!

Guess how the body reacts to proper tilt created by the upper body staying back and lower body moving forward?

Danger, Danger, we are going to miss the ball if we don’t get those arms moving and create some shaft lean. We are about to top an iron shot, get those hands forward.

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  1. Joeunc

    Once again, great info and something EVERYONE needs to realize.
    thanks Monte!

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  2. Jim

    Thank you Monte. For a few weeks I’ve been incorporating the secondary tilt and tush-line from your youtube videos. I sweep all clubs down to the 9 iron. Very shallow divot start with my PW and SW. I am usually the long-hitter in my 85-95 scoring groups, and my whole life I have hit high-irons, often plugging if there is any softness on the green.

    What is your advice for traditional “sky-ball” hitters? I couldn’t hit a “stinger” low flying iron if someone had a “g*n” to my head. Thank You, Jim

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  3. Paul

    Monte–doesn’t soling the club on the ground, right hand lower on the handle preset the proper amount of spine tilt at address? Then, keep that orientation back and through impact. Your video on ‘spine tilt protects the lower back’ says it all. Your observations on the golf swing are simple, workable, brilliant and very effectively gets one fixed real quick.

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  4. Calvin

    Nice.
    Plus, secondary tilt causes full extension to be past the ball.

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  5. Lurker

    How does this effect weight transfer onto the left side Monty? In your last still (post impact) what would the % weight distribution be front to rear foot? It “looks” different optically to the physical reality? i.e. – it doesn’t look very front foot dominated?

    (PS – love the blog, lurker here trying to keep up)

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      The better the weight transfers, the more secondary tilt you will produce. It gives a more balanced look.

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  6. wderaaf

    Great stuff, thanks.

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  7. Freddy

    Thanks Monte. So do you preset your tilt based on ball position? LW in the middle of the stance, so the lean is only based on the right hand being under the left and progressively increasing as you move up to driver?

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  8. hackgolfer

    Looking very trim Monte!

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  9. Jim

    I thought I would add last night driving range revelations for me – putting more of Monte’s ideas into action:

    1. I have always been a high trajectory ball flight hitter, but lately, the skyball was just ridiculous.
    2. All my iron shots have been migrating towards the toe (MP29’s, about 1/2 a ball off center).
    3. Mises could go high/right, or pull left. So what the hell was this? A friend also points out that my right hand looks really week on the club, but left is 3-knuckle.
    4. I had started putting in the secondary spine tilt and tush-line ideas to some good results mainly on the longer clubs, but misses were still towards toe on irons.

    Last night I corrected the right hand grip, with the thumb-finger V pointing to right shoulder versus straight up. This started to give a visual perception of a hooded club at address. After a few swings with this grip, I made GREAT contact, but was a pull draw. Trajectory came down.

    A few more swings and it hits me – I’m hitting the shot EXACTLY where my shoulders are aligned. I then correct my shoulders to the target line, which instantly adds more natural spine tilt (combined with right hand better position).

    NOW we are making progress – After aligning the shoulders, I have HUGE room to turn on the backswing, and the down swing instantly felt better and free-wheeling. Also, the secondary spine tilt was much easier to incorporate having aligned shoulders, and the correct right hand position.

    Wa’la! Bam – Thank you Ma’am! Toe shots moved to center of face, and I struck some shallow divots for the first time in a long time.

    Then – one more thing instantly made sense……… Having “room” in the swing due to aligning shoulders correctly……. the “Bump, Dump, Turn” concept shot into my mind. Getting the timing better added speed to the swing. Basically I pured a bunch of shots. Someone next to me turns around and says, “… I can tell you are a big-ball hitter, balls sound like they are jumping off the club, what is your handicap?” I told the truth, which was a bit embarrassing, but none the less shared Monte’s website…

    So all these concepts work together, but can be ruined by two basic elements being out of whack. For me, the shoulders were open, and the right hand was week. After correcting those two, it was easier to get into these other fundamental sequences. I’m not a golf writer, but if for anyone else reading, – make sure your shoulders are really aligned with your body…
    Thanks,
    Jim

    – Saying it another way – if you are starting with open shoulders, you are ALREADY JAMMED AND STUCK before you get started.

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  10. Jake G

    Hey Monty, didn’t know where to contact you regarding a personal golf lesson at Oak Creek? Thanks

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  11. Tom Langford

    Good stuff. Just found your page. My son just turned 9 and is taking lessons from a local pro that preaches the secondary tilt. He has made so much progress working on this concept and has become a really good player. Question: Our pro teaches the consistent ball position on the left heel with the widening of the stance as you go to longer clubs. What are your thoughts on that? Thanks

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      I don’t like using the feet to gauge ball position. I like using the sternum and lead armpit.

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