Tilt at address and impact affects how shoulder turn appears

I have gotten a lot of emails about my new target. The vertical shoulder turn on the downswing.

(a fair amount of technobabble coming. Skip to the end for the salient point)

Do not discount how harmful a shoulder turn that is too vertical can be.

The emails and comments keep saying that this famous guy has a vertical shoulder turn and so does that guy…and even one included a video of me.

Here is the point all of those emails and comments are missing. Those examples appear to be vertical, but they are not. They are very much turns around the spine. They appear vertical because there is a tremendous amount of tilt behind the ball at impact. Especially the one of me at the Long Drive Championships.

If you don’t have much tilt at impact (or God forbid forward spine tilt at impact) and a very vertical shoulder turn…that is going to be stuck, a hip thrust and a laundry list of other things that are bad.

When you have no tilt behind the ball at impact, it is usually a result of none at address and/or getting in front of the ball. When this is the case, a shoulder turn around the spine is going to be perceived as over the top…and often…actually is over the top.

So people end up making the shoulder turn too vertical to avoid this.

If you install some good tilt, a proper shoulder turn may feel over the top at first, but it is not.

THE SALIENT POINT: If you have spine tilt behind the ball at address and spine tilt behind the ball at impact (both very good things), you very much want your shoulders rotating at a 90* angle to your spine.

Many of you do none of these things and would benefit from all three.

Watch this video again, it is very important.

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6 Comments

  1. Calvin

    Logic is very under-rated. This makes perfect sense. If you set the shoulders and spine as you demonstrate at address and turn around the spine you can’t come over the top and you have to come from the inside without getting stuck. Unless of course you feel compelled to distort something in the process. Great post.

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  2. spanky

    Nice, very nice. Why can’t other instructors explain things so clearly.

    I find spine tilt is also essential to let full extension happen naturally, without it I’m dead in the water. I think it must also greatly aid balance, that much clubhead momentum traveling away from you (post impact) needs to be counterweighted.

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      Spanky, the problem is the world is filled with instructors who either don’t know what they are talking about, or do, but don’t know how to think outside the box.

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  3. Ron

    Monte, great explanation! I like the information you demonstrated when you don’t have proper tilt. Another salient point, Shoulder rotates at 90* angle of your spine. This keeps everything in balance give that powerful feel in the swing!

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  4. Mike

    Monte, dude, what’s your PayPal account? I owe you some cash. 🙂

    Found you on google yesterday evening searching for humping the shaft (that sounds a little weird, I know) and your posts and videos about early extension and vertical shoulder drop/tilt are amazing, it’s like you watched a video of me and came up with all this stuff to teach me. I can play, career low 76, regularly shoot in the low 80s, but man, it’s all from having good feel and athleticism. I got so excited I was videoing myself in my spare room at 11 o’clock last night. This stuff is amazing.

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  5. JJ

    Great stuff Monte! Despite being a scratch player, my Achilles’ Heel is a tendency to ‘come out of the shot’, often leading to very inconsistent iron play. After reviewing some video of my swing, it’s quite obvious I’m not maintaining the shoulder tilt/spine angle parameter that was established at address. Kudos for such a simple and concise diagnosis.

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