“Long hitters have lots of lag”

Sigh, I had someone debate this with me…again.

A guy saw me hitting balls, then saw me giving a lesson and asked me to look at his son’s swing.

The kid had a pretty good move, but every time I said something to him, the father chimed in with a cliche that was unrelated to what I was talking about.

After telling the kid if he didn’t have so much arm run off, he wouldn’t throw the club away before impact. The father responds, “See, I told you you need to hold the lag.”

I then explained the same thing I have explained on this blog many times about lag. Here is what I got as a reply.

“Long hitters have lots of lag, it is where all of the power comes from and you need to use your hands and wrists to try and generate as much of it as possible. If you don’t know this, you need to keep up on the latest literature on the subject and shouldn’t be teaching people until you understand this fact.”

I was going to respond that I was a world long drive champion, am considered an authority on the subject by many people and he should shut the hell up as I was doing him a favor by looking at his son for free.

What I really wanted to do was take off my golf glove and slap him on either side of the face, hoping he thought I was challenging him to a duel. Throwing clubs at each other from ten paces.

Instead I said, “Pregnant women have a round belly. If you drink beer and eat pizza till you have a round belly doesn’t mean you are going to have a baby.”

I then turned to the kid and said, “Good luck, you are going to need it.”

The good news is, I am noticing an excellent trend. There actually seems to be a movement toward understanding that lag is a result, not a goal. On the Golfwrx message board, it was almost 100% hold the lag people 2 years ago. Now it’s over 50-50 in favor of it being a result.

I’d like to think I had something to do with that.

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18 Comments

  1. woody

    Herd mentality. People believe what they read or hear–not common sense, or what they percieve for themselves.

    And, there’s the natural tendency to believe that experts know what they’re talking about. People aren’t very inquisitive.

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  2. yellowtrash

    Wow, I would not have shown as much restraint

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  3. Greg

    You should have just pulled out your driver and cracked one about 350 and looked at the kid and said “Your dad’s right, I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about.”

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      That was the funny part. They had seen me do that already.

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  4. Calvin

    False logic. Don’t be too hard on the guy. We all do that, especially
    when it is about the golf swing. I went to the course today with a
    brand new theory and it sucked scissors. 🙂 If the kid is like my grandkids
    after about the 20th contradictory instruction Dad gives him he will turn
    off his ears and swing naturally.

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      No, I don’t think I will give him a break. He asked me for a favor and proceeded to act like a condescending moron.

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      • Calvin

        So apparently he wasn’t just a guy trying to discuss things; he was one of those overbearing fools that knows everything. Probably provides running criticism while his wife is cooking.

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  5. spanky

    Monte, any chance you could explain the following in a bit more depth
    “… if he didn’t have so much arm run off, he wouldn’t throw the club away before impact……” (is it having to flip in order to save the shot??)

    Really like your thoughts on the golf swing/release, I was a prisoner of excess shaft lean & and lag, which I escaped from a couple of weeks before finding your blog. Keep up the good work.

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      Arm runoff=extra arm swing after the shoulder turn stops making swing too long. Enough speed can’t be generated to maintain the proper angle and the wrists break down ending in a cast…or what I called throwing the club away.

      A saving flip happens when the club is narrow, open, underneaththe plane or a combo of those. The hips stall so the “saving flip” can happen.

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      • spanky

        Thanks Monte. So when the shoulders finish turning the arms are done/finished (no lifting/run off allowed), I take it this is a core ingredient of the swing being connected. Sorry for such a quiz.

        Many thanks

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      • Monte Scheinblum

        Yes…and even though I know what you meant…to be clear, anything is “allowed” as long as it isn’t leading to some thing bad.

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  6. Jason

    That guy’s an ungreatful tool. You gave up your time for free. I would have told him to piss off an let him know you actually charge for lessons. Actually you should have given him your driver and say, do it your way, hold the lag and see if you can beat my drive.

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    • Wenis

      Hah, then he’d have said “I wasn’t fitted for this driver so it doesn’t count!”

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  7. Jason

    HAHAHAH, the Monte could have offered to hit that guy’s driver 350 and said, I wasn’t fit for this either LOL………….

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  8. Erik J. Barzeski

    “Good luck, you’re gonna need it” still isn’t the nicest thing to say. The kid didn’t choose to have that dad as his dad. 🙂

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      Erik. It is obviously an insult at the father. I had already told the kid I liked his swing and told him the good things about it.

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  9. aapgolfer

    Well Said! Bravo! I really wish people freekin understand this most misunderstood concept! I totally agree to Monte, and totally hate Peter Kostis for simply professing this error week in week out ! 😀

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