What is a flip?

People often interchange flip and cast and they are two different motions. Here are my definitions.

(for righty’s)

Cast-where the angle between left arm and the shaft is “thrown away” well before impact. The right wrist becomes bowed and the left wrist cuped. This is usually an action that is a result of a long back swing and not enough rotation to sustain the angle…or just plain grabbing it with the right hand and throwing the club at the ball. It can also happen when the upper body moves in front of the ball and all power is lost. Not unlike a baseball player being fooled on a breaking ball or change up and ending up on his front foot too soon. Hanging back on the right side can also “force” you to cast/throw the club at the ball just to get it there.

Flip-Usually the result of the club being under the plane or the face being too open just before impact (often both). In order for the face to “catch up” the turn of the body (pivot) stalls and the hands “flip” the club closed in order to avoid a blocked shot to the right. Often resulting in a snap hook.

As you can see, these are two completely different issues and whatever definition you choose to use…be advised that when discussing these issues, you and your cohort are discussing the same thing.

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  1. rojoass

    OK Monte. Speaking of the upper body movement towards the target. If you had one drill you did every day to curb that fault what would it be ?

    Hitting a wedge while trying to move the upper body “back”? I think you mentioned that at one time. I’m still working on this lateral thing.

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  2. Monte Scheinblum

    This is a hard one. There is no universal drill because, IMO it is going to be an individual feel drill.

    For some it might be what you said, it might be the left shoulder goes away from target, keeping head still, etc.

    It’s more of a trial and error search.

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  3. Wally

    I laways thought a flip was what you gave someone at a crowed intersection

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      Here is the difference. The flip I described is bad. The one you described is one of the most useful communication tools available.

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  4. s.

    The thing about casting and flipping is that you can’t just tell somebody to stop casting and flipping.

    That would leave a vacuum.

    People are trying to get power (or maybe in the case of flipping, just get the clubhead on the ball) and if you take those things away, you have to replace them with something.

    I’m thinking that someone can’t just stop casting and flipping and then be OK.

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      TOTALLY AGREE!!!!

      That is why I am trying to promote what proper rotation is. It is the opposite of both a cast and a flip…LOL

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      • s.

        I’ll tell ya what used to confuse me about rotation.

        Logically, and from observation, I knew that top players got their speed and effortless power from rotation. I can’t name a single top player who gets his game from brute-force muscle (though being in shape is a big plus).

        Yet, the muscles that produce torso rotation aren’t that robust. I read somewhere that they are “paper-thin” (but, I’m taking it with a grain of salt, due to the source).

        I think there’s a smaller rotation (to get out of your way in each direction and to maintain balance) and a larger rotation that’s produced by the swing and follow-through.

        Someone who wants to rotate to produce the swing might be disappointed because there are two things going on: rotation & swinging (which also causes rotation).

        Part of it uses muscles that aren’t so big. But, the other part does.

        Rotation alone will not get your hands behind your neck on the follow-through, like this.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMPCrQE7KSw&feature=fvw (Wie 0:34)

        [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMPCrQE7KSw&fs=1&hl=en_US%5D

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