Educating myself

I am not a big fan of Stack and Tilt, but regardless of what you may think, I am open minded.

Today the inventors of S&T are giving a clinic nearby and I am going to go and see what they have to say.

I am going to learn more. I may learn how to explain the reasons why I don’t like it…I may learn it is a viable option for some people.

In golf, you can always learn more.




  1. Rex

    I got hooked on S&T when the articles first appeared in the golf magazines, then bought the DVDs and have just read the book. There are no S&T instructors in my area (Seattle) that I know of, so I’m self-taught, and we all know how that goes. Nevertheless, what I’ve tried of S&T seems to really help me strike the ball crisply, so I’m a big fan. I’ll be very interested to hear what you learn and what you think. One of the things you’ve said previously is that S&T promotes a flat shoulder turn, but after recently reviewing the DVDs and reading the book, I think they promote a steeper shoulder turn instead. Over the past year I wasn’t hitting my irons as well, but after realizing that my shoulder turn was getting too flat, I made it more steep and started hitting my irons better like I did when I first tried S&T.


    • Monte Scheinblum

      I agree with you on the shoulder turn. What I learned to day is the difference between what Mike and Andy say…and what all the butchers out there are teaching in their name.

  2. s.

    You mention, “a viable option for some people.”

    PGA pros are mostly young and supple, and in good physical condition, and it may be that some amateur golfers can’t physically duplicate their moves. For them, S&T may be an answer.

    I’m aware that some pros use S&T (or at least think they are). I’d have to watch a bunch of them to see if they’re really doing something different, or are just thinking about it in a different way.

    If it was all that great for pros, maybe Baddeley and Wier would still be doing it.

  3. Chris

    I recently pick-up the book and had one of my best ballstriking days ever. I am curious to hear your review Monte.

  4. GolfHappy

    Monte, I hope you are going to clarify just WHAT the butchers are teaching… and who the butchers are 🙂

    All the best,

  5. kbp

    IMO, the main benefit of S and T for handicappers is that it forces them hit off the front foot, ie with weight fully on the front foot before impact and pivoting around the front post.

    Secondarily, it lets the hips freely swing back and forth without the head drifting all over the place. A better turn with much less tension. A lot of handicappers are wasting their time with the “coil” thing, esp. getting older.

    I think a player could still transition from this swing to a less “stacked” swing.

    • Rex

      I agree completely with kbp. For once a week high handicap players like myself, we don’t have time to practice to get the timing down for a weight transfer to/from the right side to the left side. S&T helps me to worry less about the weight transfer and also helps keep the head still. Like kbp says, the coil or X factor never worked for me.

      Like James, I am looking forward to hearing what Monte has to say about the butchers and how what they say differs from the S&T teachers. That should be very interesting!



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