Benefits of feeling your right shoulder at the ball

…in the downswing.

It gets you turning your shoulders around your spine, it keeps you from hanging back, coming too far from the inside, it gets your hips to open up, helps prevent hip thrust, keeps you from snatching it with your arms and hands, keeps you in posture, helps maintain tilt behind the ball, will keep you from casting much, will probably help avoid a flip at the bottom…I bet you can think of more.

It is an excellent feel to work on as a drill if nothing else.

If you want to say to me, “Monte, that is an over the top move for me.”

It is one of two things. You don’t have enough tilt behind the ball at address, or your shoulder turn is so vertical, a proper shoulder turn feels over the top.

If case #2 is true for you, you are in desperate need of this drill.




  1. rojoass

    I was watching some videos the other day of some players from Sweden & they all looked like Annika & Henrik………Had that head turning iwth the shoulders through the shot.
    It feels sometimes like yer getting in front of things but the ball goes pretty dang straight.
    Could this be along the same line you’re talking here Monte?

  2. Bob Saunders


    Please consider doing aT shirt and cargo shorts video about this. Thanks,

    • Monte Scheinblum

      If you have a ridiculous amount of hip clearance like I did then and like Dustin Johnson has now, you can get away with it. In most cases, it’s bad.

      • woody

        So, then it must be at least partly a physical fitness issue. Maybe some people can’t physically make it work in sync.

        Or, they have a wrong concept keeping them from making it work in sync.

        Points in favor of vertical “shoulder turn” on the downswing.

        1) All Tour pros have it.
        2) Long Drivers have it (Schienblum, Zuback, Sadlowski…)
        3) Anatomy and logic favor it.
        4) Hall of Famers tout it.

        Nicklaus (or his ghost-writer) in Golf My Way touted his vertical downswing as being more on the target line.

        Gary Player (or his ghost-writer) in Sports Illustrated said it was an essential element of his swing.

        Maybe verticality isn’t the problem, but rather making it happen in sync (barring phyical restrictions).

        How about Yani? Yup. (0:18) Yani

      • Monte Scheinblum

        woody, you missed the point. There is vertical and too vertical.

  3. Der Exilgolfer

    Can you explain that a little more? Or dou you have an practise drill? I really don’t understand totally what you mean with your vertical shoulder turn and the notion “”feeling right shoulder at the ball”.

    • Monte Scheinblum

      If you put a shaft in front of your chest and turn in the mirror…you will see what too vertical looks like and you will also see that when you turn properly, the shaft in front of your chest will point at the ball when your right shoulder turns toward the ball and it is a 90* turn to your spine.

      • woody

        When I first got exposed to the right shoulder idea, it didn’t sink in.

        I tried to just put my right shoulder to the ball…= short circuit, OOT, or whatever.

        I now believe that it gets pulled there by torso action (works for me) probably with some leg/bun assistance.

        Project for a rainy day: Watch PGA Tour players swing, concentrating on what happens between hips and ribs (before impact). Then ask yourself if that is influenced by shoulders, or maybe if it’s the other way around.

      • Calvin

        Woody is right. The musculature that turns the shoulders is in the torso.

    • Monte Scheinblum

      Woody. The answer is both to your last question. Everyone gets it done differently. This is a drill. Will work for some and not for others. The golf swing is all about degrees. It’s about getting your swing in a window, not on a pinhole.

      I think that should be a post. In a window not a pinhole.

      • woody

        I think you’re right. You can’t micromanage it. And a specific swing-thought may work for some and not for others.

        As a spaz, I couldn’t just do something right automatically. Too much wrong information and too many bad assumptions. And too much curiosity.

        For me, it meant finding out how my body works, figuring out how my brain oversees everything, and getting in harmony with that…not trying to overwhelm it.

      • Monte Scheinblum

        Woody, it’s great you have come to that point. That is what is right for everyone.

        All I am trying to do is dispel all of the incorrect assumptions and give guides to use as starting points.

  4. Lawrence

    What if I have a tendency to get flat with the shoulder turn and it’s pull city?

  5. Chris

    Instead of having the right shoulder go towards the ball are you ok with the left shoulder feeling like its being pull up and back? 90 deg of course

  6. Mike

    This is gold Monte, gold! My game has been a complete mess this summer, struggling with early extension and duck hooks to the point where I’ve been avoiding playing and practicing. Went to the range last night with the sole thought of chasing the ball with my right shoulder in the downswing. I’ve never felt so balanced in my finish, no matter how hard I went at it. Went to the practice range with the same thought to practice short and intermediate pitch shots, again, it was amazing the control I felt with the clubface. I still need to get some video of this feel, but here’s hoping I’m onto something!


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