A couple of dumb questions

and I have asked them before.

1. I understand that all golf swing issues have many components and many possible causes and combination of causes. However, why is it so hard to understand that OTT has its impetus in a back swing that is too far inside?

2. Why is it so important to hit a draw?

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  1. s.

    1. Why is it so hard to understand that OTT has its impetus in a back swing that is too far inside?

    Because maybe it has more to do with the downswing sequence. It’s possible that it’s desirable to both turn and begin the downswing at the same time. In that case, OTT would be only swinging without the turn. If “golf from the ground up” were true, maybe both the turn and the swing would both begin from the inside of the golfer’s back foot, both at the same time.

    2. Why is it so important to hit a draw?

    Because everyone craves distance, and they like the roll. Personally, I’d rather hit everything dead straight, irons with a fade, if possible. (After I hit everything dead straight, maybe I’ll work on that fade.)

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  2. Will

    1. Dunno. Maybe because golfers are so focused on the top of the backswing and the downswing that the way the swing starts is left alone.

    2. Because most golfers can’t draw the ball, so they want the opposite of the uncontrolled slice that they hit right now.

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  3. Bob34

    1. I’m going to throw this out there knowing that most everyone is going to disagree with me but; I personally don’t care if my downswing plane is slightly over the top of my backswing plane. As long as I don’t get too inside too early that it causes me to standup in my backswing, it doesn’t bother me that my backswing is a little inside. Hogan, Snead, and even Kuchar all have backswings that come inside more than what’s typically taught today. Even though my downswing plane is OTT of my backswing plane, I still come at the ball from the inside. Sometimes too much so.

    2. Dunno. I’d love for my stock shot to be a slight cut. I guess everyone just wants what they don’t have 🙂

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  4. James H

    I still don’t really understand why an inside takeaway leads to OTT, so it’s a good question for me. In terms of the plane-and-release drill, what would an inside takeaway look like? Would it be starting the swing around you with the hands and arms while not turning the shoulders much?

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  5. Wally

    Monte I hope you are having a nice Thanksgiving.
    You once wrote about the importance of being able to use your wedges inside 100yds.
    Last week I had the pleasure of playing with a really long hitter, we played form the back tees. While he out distanced me about 40 – 60 yds off the tees, my 3 and 5 woods were working like lazer guided missles that day, the nice low pitch shots were working nicely most of the day( of course the real me shows up every now and then, I just ignore him and he goes away). Inside the 150yd marker is where the game is really played
    Thanks Monte
    Wally

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  6. Dave

    I play a cut, its a little ugly, goes high/low I dont care, most of the time it goes left/right and I’m happy. I can hit a draw but can’t back myself to pull it off with anything more than a 5 iron. So I just don’t.

    The reason I think people want to hit a draw, is because they cant, they dont really care about managing themselves round the course properly will cut 5x as many shots off their score than hitting the odd draw ball with the big dog will

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  7. Mike

    This draw/fade question is probably more complicated, because it touches also body typing issues, the swingplane goes along with yours bodies geometry and I think its a bad idea to want something different than the lord has build you and your swing up, so if all results in a draw, take it, if it results in a cut, take it too, both are tour prooven 🙂 (of course, the best shot is probably straight, side spin can be nasty at times, pulls and pushes as well, but shit happens all the time:))

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  8. geoff duncan

    1. Don’t know
    2. Old ideas, like old habits die hard. I’m 64 and when I was a kid equipment was bad and balls were worse. It was really hard to play a round without a smile in your ball. It was hard to move the ball and only the good players could do it, and they all hit a draw. So everyone wanted to be able to draw it.
    Later as equipment and balls became better and it was easier to get distance and height on the ball. The good players realized it was easier to get control and softer landing with a cut. But the good players draw it idea is still out there. It’s an idea whose time will come and someday you won’t have to ask the question.

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  9. falcon50drvr

    1. I understand the theory of a super inside takeaway potentially causing an OTT move and slice. I’m weird I guess because when I take it back inside, I hit a tight little draw. If I take it outside, I feel disconnected and almost always hit a fade. Guess that depends on the individual.

    2. A draw is perceived as a “player’s” shot and a fade(slice really) is equated to a poor striker. I think most low single and + Hdcps. realize that a well struck, solid fade is just as good if not better. But much of the golfing public, the vast majority in fact, couldn’t hit a controlled draw consistently if you gave em a million bucks. I’m pretty thin weight wise, 5’11” 160 and I would love to gain about 20 lbs. more of muscle. Most want to kill me for saying that:) As they say, the grass is always greener on the other side. Human nature, that’s all IMO.

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  10. Steve Bishop

    1. The backswing is a function of what you plan on doing in the forward swing. For some, it’s easier to go about it the other way though since the backswing comes first and it seems easier to do something about what comes first. I prefer a forward swing mentality, but OTT is really just a reorientation of the forward swing to go too far left.

    2. Because most people are tired of seeing a slice, something going the other way is a Godsend. That and it’s been drilled into them that draws go further.

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  11. kbp

    1. OTT is complicated, but the root impetus comes from our natural instincts when confronted with hitting a ball laying on the ground. Tee the ball up at waist high and see if anyone tries to hit it OTT.

    2. A draw is the natural ball flight to the target from the square setup and square plane most players are taught. You hit the ball BEFORE the bottom of the swing (irons) and the club is still moving slightly in to out at this point. Ball flight can be a push, a push/slice or a draw. Only one will be headed for the target. 🙂

    Related….the power fade with the driver.

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