The bottom of the swing

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  1. B. Kozel

    Monty, I’m the guy that asked about todays tip. So glad you finally touched on this problem of mine. Will start on your idea ASAP. THANKS AGAIN MONTY!!!!

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  2. KD

    Great post, Monte. This whole “bottom of the swing” idea has caused me all sorts of problems. General knowledge that the bottom of the swing occurs after contact can cause people (like it did me) to try to maintain lag on the downswing and not release the club for fear of bottoming out too early. As you’ve touched on many times, trying to artificially hold that lag and delay the release is a recipe for disaster.

    I’ve read your blog religiously for the last couple months, and I can’t wait to get to the course when it warms up outside! Thanks in large part to you, I really feel like I’m in a good mind set to play golf this year. Thanks.

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    • bobbyp

      KD, for what it’s worth, I too have been following Monte’s teachings for some time and actually got to take them to the course a few times last month. The results (for me) exceeded my expectations. My swing now feels effortless.

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  3. Paul

    You’re saying that if the left shoulder comes up even a little bit, the club won’t be in the proper impact position? If you make a proper setup, with a slight upper spine tilt away from the target at address, dictated by the club you have in your hands, and then maintain that angle through impact, won’t your left shoulder be higher through impact? Or should I try and keep my shoulders level through impact?

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      You want the shoulders turning level to the spine. If your left shoulder goes higher than what a 90* to the spine angle is, that is where the problem lies.

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  4. banchiline

    Great post monty . 2 things ………. Do you have a “key” to turning perpindicular to the spine ?

    How do you turn everything in sync coming down? Just let it happen ?

    thanks

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      It comes with nothing more than making an effort to do it correctly and in time, it happens automatically.

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  5. Andrew

    Monte,

    Are you familiar with Bobby Clampett’s book “Impact Zone”? If you are I was wondering about your thoughts on it. You probably stay away from golf books, like I SHOULD be doing.:)

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  6. carrera

    Monte…your thoughts please on this excerpt from a Sept 2009 GD article by Steve Atherton…outlining the differences between a pro swing and an average slicing amatuer.

    BEGIN ARTICLE –
    “The first move down”…this is where everything goes right for the pro and wrong for the slicer. The belief that the swing is simply a rotation of the upper body around the spine in the backswing and then reversing that rotation in the downswing is, well, half-right. Our pro data proves that the backswing us a pure rotation around the spine. But to avoid a slice, the downswing must be a completely different motion. It begins with the shoulders tilting downward.

    When the club starts down, the left shoulder is tilted toward the ground, but the pros immediately start tilting the right shoulder downward. The pro moves allow the right shoulder to drop underneath the backswing position, ensuring a powerful inside track to the ball. The slicer starts the downswing by rotating the shoulders around the spine , which sets up an out-to-in swing and promotes a slice. – END ARTICLE

    Essentially they describe a typical OTT downswing move by a slicer, but I’m posting this here because the language they use would seem to be in conflict with the language you use to describe an on plane downswing. Result: confusion among the subset of your students who also read Golf Digest.

    Here is a video on the GD site that adds a followup to the downswing tip in the article:

    http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instruction/2009-09/02tipsplussteveatherton

    Essentially for the s

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      Thank you Carerra. You always contribute great info to the blog. I think this video and verbiage is…well, it’s bad. It is going to promote too much of an inside out swinging motion…or worse, the dropping of the right shoulder helping motion that I described in today’s video. The reason why OTT swingers have the right shoulder “pop out” as the guy described in the video, is their backswings were not very good or controlled by a proper shoulder turn. They are too far too the inside with a shoulder turn level to the ground caused by any number of factors. The only place they can go is over the top.

      If you make a good shoulder turn on the downswing, the right shoulder will go down as it rotates around the spine…however, if you make an effort to make the right shoulder go down, you are done.

      Basically I can sum up the difference between what I say and what was said in the quote and video. My theory is to understand natural body motions, make an effort to do them correctly…and over time, they will correct themselves. The other viewpoint is to make drastic, opposite of the bad motion corrections in order to immediately fix the problem. Holding the lag with your hands to cure a cast, as another example.

      Just like I say in my post titled, “you don’t fix problem “A” by doing the opposite of “A,” or you will end up with problem”B.”

      Many of my theories may often be debated with high speed slow motion video and complicated biomechanical physics. However, those minute physical details and split second body motions cannot be done consciously or they become the focal point and take the swing out of sync.

      Those details that seem to contradict what I say, happen automatically as a direct result of simplifying the swing and having everything work together.

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