More on lag

Look folks, there really is no debate here and this is the last I will say on this for a while. Nowhere have I said lag is bad. I think 100% of us can agree that too much of a good thing, is in fact bad. If you sat down and ate broccoli until your stomach exploded, that is bad. You know why, that is not a balanced diet and you ate too much. Trying too hard to get lag is not a balanced golf swing.

To not use such an extreme example, if many of us went out and tried to run a marathon before we spent years training for it, we would drop dead at mile marker 2.

Some of us can lag the club at an extreme angle and control it to hit the ball 400 yards. If you don’t have that physical skill or haven’t trained years to do it, your golf ball will drop dead at the 200 yard maker on a 400 yard hole.

Some of us cannot dunk a basketball and no amount of training will allow us to…but, just like lag, if we train and use proper technique, we can increase how high we can jump.

Lag is good, lag is great, the more lag you have the better, but trying to get as much lag as possible by delaying the release at the expense of having your swing move in sync and work properly, is bad…and there is no debate.

Let me be blunt. I am a relative nobody and don’t think the next comment means I think I am in Tiger or Jack’s category…but what does it tell you when the two greatest players of all time and a former national long drive champion say that delaying the release on purpose is bad?

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  1. Steve Wood

    I blame the ability of a high-speed camera to stop the action of the swing.

    This gives the illusion of positions. People want to get into a lagging position. There are no positions except address, and technically top of the backswing, although it’s probably bad to think of it that way.

    Just swings, no positions. The idea of producing lag comes from trying to break a swing apart, when actually it’s a continuous whole-body movement.

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    • meateater

      I agree. Very good observation. It’s a big part of what is wrong with golf mag “instruction.” The golf swing is a dynamic athletic process, and concentrating on static positions interferes with that.

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  2. steve lyons

    And most good players that have a lot of lag don’t really talk about it. It’s more of an effect, not a cause.

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  3. sensei

    To say that lag is an effect not a cause defintely means: Neglecting physics!
    Why then have millions of golfers on this planet the wish to hit it longer?
    Because their big muscles aren’t working like they should?
    Because they lack good balance?
    Because they fold the left arm?
    Because they haven’t coiled enough?

    And yes Steve Lyons- all the Teaching pros have a lot of lag and don’t talk about it a lot- to their students. 🙂

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      Why then have millions of golfers on this planet the wish to hit it longer? Because people who want to get better at golf will buy or listen to anything.
      Because their big muscles aren’t working like they should? Likely
      Because they lack good balance? Sometimes
      Because they fold the left arm? Sometimes
      Because they haven’t coiled enough? Usually they have coiled incorrectly.

      I guess Tiger Woods, Jack Nickalus and I are all wrong. 🙂

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  4. sensei

    No, Monte. You are perfectly right in talking about “natural lagging”.
    But the average golfer has no notion what the hands should do.
    And if you tell them via youtube video that lag comes naturally I don’t think it will help them at all.
    Your hands (and that of Nicklaus and Tiger) have been educated since childhood. You never thought about them. They just worked “naturally”.
    Golfers (in Europe) usually start to play in their 50ies and few have had any educating of their hands less to speak of their bodies.
    Tell them how the arms and hands work correctly and the body will follow. 🙂

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      OK, so we don’t disagree as much as I thought. I now understand what you mean.

      I do want to make one thing clear. It is perfectly fine to disagree with me. Debate is how we all get better.

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      • Peter Balogh

        Sensei is right about you not telling how to do it right. You tell people how not to do it. The later you learn golf the more important it is to stay within healthy parameters to have a good swing.
        I learned it with 12 years and I say of my swing that it’s a pretty. But it is highly ineffective. I think Monte has shown me what the handbrake in my swing is and I am eager to try out. What I am sure listening to monte is: interfere actively with the lag whatsoever and loose distance and control.

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