More on yesterday’s topic

What is good information?

That all depends on the individual. Some people like the theory, while others just want to know what to do.

Some people want scientifically correct information and terminology, while others want generally accepted terms in proper context.

Once you understand the sequence of the swing from a theoretical standpoint (if that’s what you want), it then becomes a trial and error process of individual feels.

You can only implement feels that create positions and movements, you can’t implement positions and movements themselves.

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  1. woody

    “…generally accepted terms…”

    The problem is that golf instruction generally isn’t very good. Maybe gurus can do something for pros who already have superb timing and motor skills, and are only trying to hone what they already have.

    Traditional instruction really breaks down when positions and club movements are the focus. I don’t know about anyone else, but I can’t see either the club or virtually any part of my body during a golf swing. And, even if I could, trying to micromanage would be too slow to do any good.

    Somebody said that Snead didn’t leave much of a legacy as far as instruction goes. Actually, he did. When they tried to get him to explain it, he said that it all works together. That is, not sequentially.

    To a large extent, I think that a golf swing consists in anticipating what you are going to do and allowing yourself to get out of your own way. That’s what happens when you swing a stick. But, the wrong kind of instruction can make somebody freeze over a golf ball.

    Being an instructor is a monumental challenge because there’s no model to follow.

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  2. Calvin

    To me the best thing an teaching pro can do is provide a vehicle for the student to be his own instructor. That’s what Monte has done for me with his rhythm and release drill. I can do that in my living room and it allows me to monitor any part of my body that I choose to. And you can do hundreds of swings with very little investment of time and effort. And it’s free. It has helped my ball striking immensely. It’s also made me keenly aware of the need to visualize before you swing. In particular I have found that While visualizing the arc of the ball is important it is even more critical for me that I visualize the path and arc of the club head past the ball. That has been a real boon. Thank you Monte. Maybe I’ll eventually move on to other drills but for now it is all I can handle. One thing at a time?

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    • Calvin

      Phhttt. A healthy sex life does the same thing. 🙂

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    • woody

      It’s poison.

      But, it could be enticing because it’s based on the principle of angular velocity, which is valid. The body can make the club go faster than the arms can. So, it makes sense to control something at the center because it’s going much slower than the clubhead, which may be moving at 100 mph.

      However, hips have no power and no speed. No sport that I know of relies on turning hips. Hip turn in golf is related to anticipation. You have filed a flight-plan with your brain, and the body must get out of its own way. You see hips move, but it’s really torso doing the job, combined with some right leg, I’d say.

      Look at the exerciser. There’s no coordination with the right leg assistance, and no provision for balance. It looks like you’d get a sore back.

      A major fallacy here is dividing the body into Upper and Lower body. The body just doesn’t look at itself like that…unless maybe you wanted to draw the line at the armpits.

      After all, the best ball striker of all time did say, “They play over their arms [was he talking about shoulders???]. I play under my arms.”

      I think Monte reader Bob34 [?] should invent an armpit exerciser. It would do a helluva lot more good, although you don’t have to make armpits go fast. They’re at the center, so there’s plenty of speed without trying.

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      • Calvin

        Yeah. I see that guy’s right heel kicking out behind him which can’t be good training for golf. He’s turning but his hips are retreating. As you say the body has to get out of the way and the right heel if it comes up should go straight over the top towards the toe.

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    • hackgolfer

      I like Monte’s drill with the little ball (was that a medicine ball) for the hip turn.

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      • Monte Scheinblum

        That is great for overall body movement. Swing a medicine ball (3-6 pounds) like a golf club with your core muscles initiated.

        I should do a video on that.

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  3. Jason

    Actually hip turn is underatted. It’s so importpant for the body to get out of the way in both directions. Just don’t lift the right foot (right hand golfer) too early or it will be spine collapse and goat hump city.

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      Hip turn is misunderstood…that is why that device stinks…LOL.

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  4. Jason

    Yeah the divise is promoting goat humps for sure. If people just let everything happen naturally and give control to gravity and centrifugal force………

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  5. Jason

    I meant device. LOL spelling……

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