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  1. S.

    Well, I’ve gone back and forth on this a few times, so who’s to say I’m right this time…but I think Hogan was exactly right.

    Ben Hogan said to “BEGIN WITH YOUR LOWER BODY.” Bobby Jones said to “CLEAR YOUR LEFT HIP.” Both of these men are saying the same thing: “GET OUT OF YOUR OWN WAY”!!!

    People don’t do it, so they must come over the top because their body is in the way (using hips as a checkpoint, closed to target). Where people jump the track is thinking that these men were talking about a lower body move FIRST.

    Actually, the lower body move not only “clears,” it is also part of the downswing. The downswing flows from (and is partially produced by) the “clearing” move, not after it. Hogan is not making an independent lower body move.

    There’s timing in every other sport, and there’s timing in golf (thanks AJ).

    The TIMING in golf is like “leading” a quail with a shotgun. You are producing just enough “clearing” to match the swing that you want. This is synchronization or coordination. You have to match the swing that you want with how much, and how quickly, you are getting out of your own way–so that your lower body will arrive at its impact “position”…at impact.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_6M_xZvq0&feature=related

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_6M_xZvq0&hl=en_US&fs=1&]

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      The problem with that is those guys were not way too far inside in the takeaway like most over the toppers are. If you are way too inside and start with the lower body, that will make you stuck.

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  2. s.

    You write, “The problem with that is those guys were not way too far inside in the takeaway.”

    It’s really the same problem: they’re all arms & hands. If they takeaway with their arms and hands only (only way to get too far inside?) it will drag their torso around somewhat. But then, if they try to do an arms & hands downswing, they’re in their own way.

    If they make a proper backswing, they’re ready to make a proper downswing. How about Kuchar? Is he too far inside?

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XIhEn28DnA&hl=en_US&fs=1&]

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      Kuchar is too inside and his lower body does almost nothing until after impact. He releases the club out in front of him.

      Hogan’s comment about starting by turning the lower body has screwed up more people than I can count.

      He has a manufactured swing that took him 10 years of hitting balls 8 hours a day to perfect. Copying any of that is a losing battle for 99.9% of the people out there.

      It is simple, that “swing starts from the ground up” is another cliche that has no practical applications. In a proper sequence, the lower body does start a split second sooner. However, that sequence happens automatically with a swing that everything works together.

      A conscious effort to start with the lower body is going to eventually lead to the club being stuck behind you…even more so if you whip it too far inside.

      If you are too inside and your hands are behind your chest, starting with the lower body is going to get the club so far behind you and out of sync, it is most likely going to be a shank or a top.

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  3. s.

    P.S. “Start with the lower body,” is a deceptive phrase. You’re the one who put me onto it. It’s a whole body swing. There’s un-winding, turning, or rotation…and there’s swinging. They have to work together. Getting out of your own way does not mean leaving the upper body behind (as Hogan demonstrates). When he’s turning, everything is turning together, timed with his swing.

    If you start a downswing with arms or upper body swinging, then your lower body can never catch up because un-twisting your core is slower than swinging.

    No “lateral move” (to get you stuck) in any of this, although turning will provide a little of it, due to momentum.

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      Agreed. What I am trying to suggest in today’s video is exactly that. Allowing the release to happen with the turn instead of rerouting or getting underneath when you are too far inside. Molder and Kuchar are examples of this.

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  4. Teras Info

    thanks for your information…..

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