I find my lessons are getting shorter and shorter

As I get better at what I do, I find my write ups on internet lessons get shorter and shorter and during my live lessons, I find it’s me watching for the last 45 minutes.

On the one hand, people are paying me for my expertise and quality is better than quantity, but I sometimes feel guilty when an internet lesson is four sentences and a video to watch.

I am not a big believer in video analysis where there is a 20 minute diatribe on everything that is wrong with the swing.

That is not helpful.

It is also not helpful in a live lesson to have people working on 25 things at once. Sometimes it takes 3-5 trys at finding the right way to describe and implement the new feel, but that is 3-5 trys at the same SINGLE issue.

I guess I am caught between doing what I know is correct and helpful and making the golfer feel like they are not getting a one line quick fix tip.

Thoughts?…Suggestions?

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  1. MSGolfer

    Video + Short tip + Few sentences like “I remember playing in the Blah Open and had this issue too and my miss was xyz” so people know you actually read/watched their stuff = Winning combo IMO

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  2. Calvin

    KISS.

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  3. woody

    Maybe have them try the same idea with different clubs. If they can do it with a driver, can they do it with a 6-iron, or a wedge? (And, switching clubs will eat up some of those 45 minutes.)

    If they can do it with a full shot, can they do it with a partial shot?

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  4. meateater

    I think it’s pretty obvious what you have to do. Simply explain to the student that they need to work on one thing at a time, if their objective is to improve. As you’ve pointed out however, many times faults are interconnected. One is a compensation for another. So maybe you do have to address more than one thing. You can say, “Once we get A fixed, then B will start to be a problem and we will have to address it.”

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  5. jaybee

    For me it would be crucial to understand and accept/agree with your main fault diagnosis, followed by agreeing on a final goal for my swing and that it is possible to achieve that goal, followed by a ROADMAP of a/the few main steps towards it- only thereby can I accept that I shall start with and focus on your step 1 first and only.
    I find video helpful for that, mainly to point out where I differ from where I should be and in order to monitor any (lack of) progress concerning that one change I am currently working on.
    I had two negative experiences with video/online coaching, one with the No1 golfpro on the net…, who basically just replied that this and that is my fault and that I should watch video a, b and c from him to rectify it- that is not helpful/enough!- and the other one with a coach who is very particular about an IMHO too extreme setup (i.e.very wide stance) and some IMHO too extreme main swing keys he insists upon, which after some success on the range I could not transfer successfully to the course (i.e.dead straight left arm, lateral shift to target of the whole body) and as a result stopped agreeing with- although he reasoned them very well, with the help of pro footage video laid over mine.
    On the range, the most offputting teaching I received was and still is from two pros who can neither play the game anymore nor have read any golf books or are on the net, but who always jump at any new idea du jour after a PGA seminar they attend, arguing they told me so years ago, at any of my new ideas from the Internet, arguing they told me so years ago, and who once I or any of my friends hit the ball well start to tinker with our chin height et.al. and or hold a speech about the need of more/less ulnar supipronation et al.- and preferably just before a competition…
    The second worst was from from da fixer himself, who is a very nice bloke but whose sermons are terribly overrated and whose concept is too extreme IMHO, trying to turn you into swinging like Zach 3knuckle Johnson.
    The best teaching I received was from 2 pros whom I deemed to be credible because they could both play and were well read in swingcrack.
    They made me hit the ball better right away by focusing on just one thing, one by pre-activating da hips and the other one by making me let the left heel raise, but both were not curing/even worsening my a-x da line fault and did not have or present any concept or roadmap on top of those two things so I wandered on…probably a fault/my problem and why I am still reading and writing this swingcrack stuff here instead of being out there playing golf….

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    • Calvin

      🙂 🙂 🙂

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  6. mike

    how are things shaping up with Frank for Reno event?

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  7. bobby

    As an online client–I will admit I was a bit disappointed at a 2 line response—HOWEVER, I am still working on those 2 same things after a month…anymore info would have just messed me up even more—keep doing what you are doing
    bent

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    • Monte Scheinblum

      Thank you for the comment. This is exactly what I was worried about.

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  8. Geoff Dickson

    Monte…there is some debate on the whether there is value of 60min lessons compared to 30min lessons. For me, 30min is enough time to be with a coach, as it leads to ‘too much’ to absorb…but I will often hit balls for another 30min without my coach.

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  9. Dave Rowell (@readygolfer)

    Harvey Pennick kept his lessons short and sweet so you’re in good company. A few of his students did ok. Less is more.

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  10. Jason

    I try and stick with 30 min lessons when I have time – and then follow it up with some time to reinforce the lesson – either alone, or with my instructor passively watching while he walks the range. 60 min lessons are a lot of time for me. I can’t hold my lag for 60 min. 🙂

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  11. Boris

    People, including students, are different, but as far as I am concerned: for me its all about two things:

    — basic trust = realizing and believing that this pro is honestly interested in helping me, he really is invested in and is even having fun in making his student (=me, in this case) a better and happier golfer.

    —and a basic concept = during the first teaching session we have a talk about what I want to achieve, and the pro, after seeing me shot some, makes his mind up about what my potential and my limits are, and then suggests to me a course of action, letting me know what he wants to teach me, and how, even makes explicit his personal teaching style, like saying something just like what you were saying in this post: “I know a training session in which I can make you understand and learn just one little thing is a very successful session. I can only help you get better if you understand and accept that. You will need this patience. Me, telling you ten different things during one session wont help you at all.”

    Obviously I realize that a normal pro who would act according to my second point would starve—and thats the sorry state of things, at least as far as Ive experienced it. Golf teachers normally deal with people who are completely delusional (and too lazy to actually practice), who just want to have their slices to be magically removed, and the pro, after a few years, is getting so frustrated and cynical that it’d take a teenage Tiger Woods to get him wake up and really put some serious interest and heart blood into his work again.

    I dont take lessons anymore cause atm I’m too broke to play golf at all, but as long as I was: I found my pros trustworthy, but none of them, even after I asked, even after I explicitly said: “Lets do one session a week for this winter—but lets make a plan beforehand, lets have some concept”: They couldn’t come up with one. They couldn’t break out of the routine of taking it lesson by lesson, giving a hint here and a tip there. Which didn’t work fantastically.

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