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Today’s post is a bit self serving, thesis driven and definitely redundant, but hey, it’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to.

I am noticing that back swings are getting shorter on the PGA Tour…Chez notwithstanding.

These young, thin, flexible guys who could take the club well past parallel…are getting shorter swings and setting their hands closer to their bodies…Dustin and Bubba not withstanding (Unless you are strong and athletic enough to create 50*+ of hip turn at impact, I don’t suggest you copy anything they do…LOL).

No trying to make a full turn or widening the arc. No lag holding with the hands, no purposely dropping the club in the slot and no massively inside/out moves.

No float loading or holding off the release.

All I see are well balanced, good rhythm and synchronized swings where the club rotates with the turn gradually throughout the whole back swing and down swing.

Which begs the question. If most of the young PGA Tour players have compact, synchronized, well balanced swings where the club rotates gradually with the turn of the body…and great rhythm…why in the world are amateurs across the world working on all of these nasty cliches the Tour pros don’t go near, only to end up with swings that are not synchronized, out of balance, with poor rhythm and the club face rotation not coming close to matching the turn of the body?

A devil’s advocate would say PGA guys are the best and maybe amateurs needs to do something different.

I say different. The best in the world would want to do things in the easiest, most efficient way possible and none of them do any of these ridiculous cliches actively.

I say don’t copy the swing anomaly of an individual, but I do say look at what the common themes are and that is something to strive to.

Shorter back swings are easier to link up. End of story and off my soap box…I now wait for everyone to tell me that a shorter swing feels powerless as I prepare to pull out all of my hair. :-D.




  1. rojoass

    Have a guy at my club 300 plus hitter, good golfer , has no problem shooting under par. Backswing is less than 3/4 by a long shot.
    I think I have a video I’ll try to post up.

  2. s.

    Excellent post. But, don’t ask those Tour pros what they’re doing. I’m guessing that most of them couldn’t tell you…anymore than I could tell you how I toss a paper wad into a wastebasket.

    I’m believe it would fall into the category of this comment, which I read somewhere: “I see many young golfers at my range who have had limited instruction, but have great swings and can play. They don’t know how. They just can.”

    Over time, a few of these young players might become wanna-be pros, and a very few of them might eventually ascend to the Tour.

    But, they still don’t know how. They just can. For them, it’s athletics, not engineering.

    And, if they get a smart guru, he won’t destroy it all.

  3. rojoass

    And there’s young golfers that hook a relationship with a swingcrack dealer & never learn to play.

    They toke their way through life worried about having the perfect swing. Some make a great living on tour but most have repeating nightmares while dreaming of a blissful swing.

    The golf channel could have a hit reality show portraying Swingcrack Interventions”.

    There’s yer ticket Monte………..

  4. s.

    P.S. Regarding short swings, here are 3 famous ones you can find on Youtube: Doug Sanders, George Knudson, and Moe Norman.

    Sanders: won 20 PGA Tour tournaments during his career.

    Knudson: former PGA Tour, with 8 career victories. Nicklaus is credited with saying he had a million dollar swing (and a 10 cent putter).

    Moe Norman: set 41 course records, 11 in Florida, 30 in southern Ontario, Canada
    57 career victories—Canadian amateur + Canadian Tour wins
    2 Canadian PGA championships
    3 Canadian PGA Senior championships

    As far as I can see, short swings didn’t hurt them.

  5. Calvin

    Jerry Heard before the lightning hit him had a beautiful 3/4 swing.

  6. carrera

    I think a lot of people get caught up in thinking they need to have the hands high above their heads at the top of the backswing, like a Davis Love, in order to look like a pro.

    • Monte Scheinblum

      The whole “widen the arc” nonsense.

      I think over the past two years I have made a really good case that all of these cliches that get thrown around are either misused, or just plain terrible.

      My coming video on Early Extension is going to show that almost everyone of these fads lead to EE.

      • Woody

        Yeah…but if you watched Bubba Watson’s Golf Channel Playing Lesson, he said he got power from a wide arc.

        It doesn’t seem to hurt his distance, but what he does is obviously natural, and it would probably would be best if other people didn’t try to copy it–especially if they don’t have the exact same physique as Bubba does.

        • Monte Scheinblum

          Woody, don’t confuse what someone who didn’t know what they were talking about told bubba and what is actually true.

  7. Wally

    What all pro golfers have is a straight rear arm (right arm for right handers) through the follow through. Most hackers do not

    • Monte Scheinblum

      Actually, not quite true. Jim Furyk being one example. i found one thing that “might” be universal among good players…who are playing well.

      • Woody

        Only one universal that I can think of. I’m no fan of Roger Fredericks, but as far as appearance goes, it think he found one: the Two Cheek Position. How that happens is another matter.

        #3 Roger Fredericks Two Cheek Position

        • Monte Scheinblum

          I found something else and you will enjoy it. Very simple feel to produce too


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